God on Wheels.

[Crossbones]

Thank you so much Armando for the coffee last Sunday, and the opportunity to meet a man of honor and a hardworking pastor in spreading the word of God, and keeping his flock together.
You and Don W. certainly complement each other. Yes, God on wheels!
As our views on organized religions and the nature of God differ in its perception and concepts, may be perhaps, we could either share some more point of views on a personal basis or through the forum for the benefit of others who may be interested in the subject.
Anyone out there with some positive feed back?

Mondo …Don, what say you?

Crossbones

[anotherdirtyoldman]

grouphug WOW !!! BONES DID YOU SEE THE LIGHT?

[dnldwismn]

Crossbones,

Points of view?

Perhaps.

However, in the mean time...

There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll

"Stairway to Heaven" Led Zeppelin.

[Crossbones]

Led Zeppelin was one of my favorites in my hippie days…
Searched for the lyrics, and came out with those for Stairway to Heaven???

Theres a lady whos sure
All that glitters is gold
And shes buying a stairway to heaven.
When she gets there she knows
If the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for.
Ooh, ooh, and shes buying a stairway to heaven.

Don, are there more than one version of the lyrics?

Is this song about a woman who accumulates money, but finds out the hard way her life had no meaning and will not get her into heaven?

Or is it about buying L.S.D with sexual services when the dealers say they have none left? She can offer sex, and expect the dealers to oblige?

Crossbones :)

ADOMan: How do you see the light? …Please?


Crossbones,

Points of view?

Perhaps.

However, in the mean time...

There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll

"Stairway to Heaven" Led Zeppelin.

[dnldwismn]

Ahh, very good.

In the days of the early church we find this recorded in the book of Acts...

Act 17:10 "And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming [thither] went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

And more recently what has been said to be the signature phrase of Ronald Regan... "Trust but Verify".

It's good to check what someone is quoting.

The lyrics I posted are from the ending of the song.

As to their meaning...

the song writer may have had one thing in mind but it could have more than a few applications.

I know of another Book, it's content has one true meaning as intended by it's Author, but what is read can be applied in many ways.

Peace be the Journey

~Don w

[armando & kathy]

Thank you Crossbones for making my Fathers Day special. I wasn't sure if you would show up or not. I really enjoyed the company and conversation over a cup of coffee. Church was nice, Hog ride was nice, and then I spend the afternoon at the theatre with my sons. It was a great day and I thank GOD for that.

It sounds like a good idea, but the decision belongs to the administrator. Then there is the the question what to call the folder? World views??? Personally I prefer HEAVENS VIEW.......

IN CHRIST.....................mondoThank you so much Armando for the coffee last Sunday, and the opportunity to meet a man of honor and a hardworking pastor in spreading the word of God, and keeping his flock together.
You and Don W. certainly complement each other. Yes, God on wheels!
As our views on organized religions and the nature of God differ in its perception and concepts, may be perhaps, we could either share some more point of views on a personal basis or through the forum for the benefit of others who may be interested in the subject.
Anyone out there with some positive feed back?

Mondo …Don, what say you?

Crossbones

[Crossbones]

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Yes Don I agree with ya, “It's good to check what someone is quoting.”

Here’s a Bible Trivia:
A woman asked Jesus for a miracle. Jesus refused, and basically called her a dog. She replied that even a dog could sit under the master's table and eat the scraps that are dropped.
Jesus then granted her request.

Where was this in the Bible?

Crossbones

[dnldwismn]

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Yes Don I agree with ya, “It's good to check what someone is quoting.”

Here’s a Bible Trivia:
A woman asked Jesus for a miracle. Jesus refused, and basically called her a dog. She replied that even a dog could sit under the master's table and eat the scraps that are dropped.
Jesus then granted her request.

Where was this in the Bible?

Crossbones

The account is believed to have been first recorded by Mark and then later by Matthew.

Mark 7:24-30
Matthew 15:21-28

While we are on Bible Trivia, why the reference of "dog" by Jesus?

~Dw

[Crossbones]

The Bible text says that the Lord had come into the region of Tyre. This was a Gentile region, and as such, was abhorrent to many of the religious Jews. Jesus had already encountered their hypocrisy and had confronted them with the vanity of their tradition. The Jews were so worried about ceremonial uncleanness that they missed the weightier matters of the Law. To those Jews, this Gentile region was unclean as well. Add to that, this Gentile woman. Being both a Gentile and a woman were double strikes against her. The pious and self-righteous Jews referred to the Gentiles as dogs. And women were even lower in their estimation.

The protagonist is a mother who displays real chutzpah. She gets in Jesus’ face, begging him to heal her daughter. There is only one problem: she is one of the "dogs." It’s a disparaging metaphor, a derogatory term popular at the time for describing all gentiles. It means she has no business being in the company of a Jew, much less the Messiah. The social gap is cavernous. She is like an illegal alien marching into the Oval Office to see President Bush. Or like a bag lady trying to make an appointment with Bill Gates. She begs Jesus to heal her daughter, but it sounds as if he doesn’t have time for her.
"Let the children [of Israel] be fed first," he says, "for it is not fair to take the children’s food and throw it to the dogs." On one level, it’s the answer you’d expect. Evidently Jesus’ long-range evangelistic plan is to go the Jews first and then later to the Greeks. So Jesus is not so much saying no to the woman as he is saying, "First things first; one thing at a time."
Apparently, Jesus does not want to dilute his mission. But does he have to use the derogatory language of the day and call the woman a dog? If we are to get past our discomfort with the name-calling, we will have to look more closely and note what Jesus does with the word. Indeed, Jesus’ use of the diminutive form of the word "dogs" could be translated "little dogs," or perhaps "house dogs." These terms represent a step toward including the gentiles. Now "the gentiles are no longer outside in the streets; they are now in the house." And in a moment -- thanks to this loving mother’s theological discernment -- the dogs "will be at the table," the place of true fellowship.
In any case, the woman does not back down. Dog indeed! She keeps right on nipping at Jesus’ heels, which showcases not only her debating skills, but also her faith. She dares to take his metaphor and turn it back on him. "Children get fed before the dogs? You’ve got that right, Lord! But even the dogs get to eat the children’s crumbs; even the pets get the scraps that fall from their master’s table!" She is arguing that even on his own terms, there should be something from him -- some scrap of grace -- for someone like her who comes to him in faith. She is challenging him. "What are you going to do, Lord: Judge me by externals only -- or judge me by my heart?"

Don, many places in the Bible, Jesus is referred to as “One of them”; if Jesus was not one of the Jewish “clan”, was He, perhaps, a Gentile and not a Jew? …Or a Nazarene???

Crossbones


The account is believed to have been first recorded by Mark and then later by Matthew.

Mark 7:24-30
Matthew 15:21-28

While we are on Bible Trivia, why the reference of "dog" by Jesus?

~Dw

[dnldwismn]

Crossbones,

Very interesting indeed, Thanks for the reply. Ya really gotta admire this lady from Trye for her tenacity. Elsewhere, Jesus does talk of being persistent; seems to be a quality that gets His attention.

As far as being “One of them”; the New Testament tells us Jesus is of Jewish birth. Even so, His mission is inclusive of all nations as stated in Isaiah chapter 49...

5 “ And now the LORD says,
Who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant,
To bring Jacob back to Him,
So that Israel is gathered to Him[a]
(For I shall be glorious in the eyes of the LORD,
And My God shall be My strength),
6 Indeed He says,
‘ It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.’”


And, I do find what the Apostle Paul had to say in his letter to the Galatians to be encouraging.

"For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:26-29

Indeed, Christ does bring freedom to us all.

Blessings,

~Don w

[Crossbones]

Don & Mondo

Just finished going through the New Testament again, and cannot find any irrefutable mention that Jesus was, in fact, of Jewish parents or birth.
Jesus was not the Messiah of Israel because he did not fulfil their (false) messianic expectations; Jesus came to be the “Savior” of the Gentiles. In Galilee lived the Gentiles, and the Gentiles were not Jews.
Most facts about Jesus are shrouded in mystery and overwhelmed by a veneer of retrospective theology and polemics that frustrates any attempt to get the real events underlying them.
One thing we know for sure is that as far as the Gospels are concerned, whatever can be said with any certainty about Jesus is largely presented in the framework of supernatural storytelling.

In St. Matthew IV: 15, we read: “Galilee of the Gentiles.”
In I Maccabees 5:15, we read that messengers from Galilee, with torn clothing and in great anguish, came to Judas Maccabaeus and reported that “they of Ptolemais, and of Tyrus, and Sidon, and all of Galilee of the Gentiles, were assembled together against them to consume us.” And Judas told Simon, his brother, to choose certain men to go to Galilee and rescue the Jews who were in Galilee. The transfer of the Jews living in Galilee was made in 164 BC
Galilee continued as a nation of Gentiles or “heathens” until the year 103 BC, when Aristobulus, grandson of Simon, and first king of the Jews (Maccabees), forced all those living in Galilee to adopt circumcision and the Mosaic law.
Peter was also of Galilee and of the Gentile race, and we find in Matthew XXVI: 73, that some said to Peter: “Surely thou also art one of them; thy speech betrayeth thee.”
It must be borne in mind that at no time during His lifetime, did Jesus Himself refer to His ancestors or forebears, or intimate to the Jews that He was the Messiah of the House of David whom they had anticipated.

1 Corinthians 13:11-12
Once Perfection comes, all imperfect things will disappear.
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I thought as a child,
I reasoned as a child, but when I became a man,
I put aside childish things. For the moment we see as
Through a glass darkly, but in time, face to face.



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These two simple words: “IN CHRIST”, appear 85 times in the New Testament

1. It refers to a state of being
2. It occurs at a point in time - Romans 16:7
3. It remains even after death - I Corinthians 15:18; I Thessalonians 4:16

In this state, benefits are granted
1. All spiritual blessings are in Christ - Ephesians 1:3
2. Eternal life is in Christ - Romans 6:23
3. Made alive in Christ - Romans 6:11
4. Redemption in Christ - Romans 3:24
5. Sanctified in Christ - I Corinthians 1:2
6. Forgiven in Christ - Ephesians 4:32
7. Hence there is no condemnation in Christ - Romans 8:1-2
8. We have liberty in Christ - Galatians 2:4

The nondual consciousness that is the vision of the Kingdom of Heaven is the highest stage in the growth of human consciousness from infancy to full spiritual maturity. By the process of inner growth in spiritual awareness, a path of constant inner realization, we gradually come to see our own union with God in Christ so that, at the final stage of nondual awareness, God alone and his Kingdom remain. We see, when we realize the vision of the Kingdom of Heaven, that we, like Jesus, are not mere human beings after all, but are now, and have always been, nothing less than immortal, unlimited, divine Spirit.

Don & Mondo, I would be highly interested to know your takes of the fundamental doctrine called “original sin” as expounded by Churchianity?

Crossbones :)


John Adams, U.S. President, Founding Father of the United States
"Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with in these days?"
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

[dnldwismn]

Crossbones,

Thanks for the post.

Don & Mondo

Just finished going through the New Testament again, and cannot find any irrefutable mention that Jesus was, in fact, of Jewish parents or birth.


The New Testament does give a Jewish genelogy of Jesus:
Luke 3:22-38

Jesus was not the Messiah of Israel because he did not fulfil their (false) messianic expectations; Jesus came to be the “Savior” of the Gentiles.

Crossbones, you are correct in that Jesus did not fulfill the Jewish expectations of the Messiah in the way they thought He would.
He came the 1st time as the Suffering servant as told by the prophet Isaiah thus fulfilling His role as Messiah and will return again as the conquering King.

Jesus did refer to Himself as the "Son of Man" a Jewish Messianic title in Daniel 7:13.

You are also correct about the phrase "In Christ" Christ is NOT Jesus' last name. It comes from the Greek which means to be anointed for a purpose. The kings of Israel were "anointed" The Hebrew word "messiah" also means anointed.

In I Maccabees 5:15, we read that messengers from Galilee, with torn clothing and in great anguish, came to Judas Maccabaeus and reported that “they of Ptolemais, and of Tyrus, and Sidon, and all of Galilee of the Gentiles, were assembled together against them to consume us.”

Thanks for sharing. I have yet to read Maccabees so I am unaware of some of the things you shared about the region of Galilee. One day it'd be nice to read.

Don & Mondo, I would be highly interested to know your takes of the fundamental doctrine called “original sin” as expounded by Churchianity?

I'm not sure what "my" take is on the doctrine of "Original Sin",
but I'm glad to take a look at the Scriptures and post what I find. I would agree with you that it does seem to be a fundamental doctrine.~Don w

"Spent an hour in the beginning of the evening at Major Gardiner's, where it was thought that the design of Christianity was not to make men good riddle-solvers, or good mystery-mongers, but good men, good magistrates, and good subjects, good husbands and good wives, good parents and good children, good masters and good servants. The following questions may be answered some time or other, namely, — Where do we find a precept in the Gospel requiring Ecclesiastical Synods? Convocations? Councils? Decrees? Creeds? Confessions? Oaths? Subscriptions? and whole cart-loads of other trumpery that we find religion incumbered with in these days?" John Adams

"Major Greene this evening fell into some conversation with me about the Divinity and satisfaction of Jesus Christ. All the argument he advanced was, "that a mere creature or finite being could not make satisfaction to infinite justice for any crimes," and that "these things are very mysterious."
Thus mystery is made a convenient cover for absurdity." John Adams


"Twenty times in the course of my late reading have I been on the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!!!" But in this exclamation I would have been as fanatical as Bryant or Cleverly. Without religion this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company, I mean Hell." John Adams

"We have now, it Seems a National Bible Society, to propagate King James's Bible, through all Nations. Would it not be better to apply these pious Subscriptions, to purify Christendom from the Corruptions of Christianity; than to propagate those Corruptions in Europe Asia, Africa and America! ... Conclude not from all this, that I have renounced the Christian religion, or that I agree with Dupuis in all his Sentiments. Far from it. I see in every Page, Something to recommend Christianity in its Purity and Something to discredit its Corruptions. ... The Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount contain my Religion." John Adams, 2nd President of the United States

[dnldwismn]

Don & Mondo
I would be highly interested to know your takes of the fundamental doctrine called “original sin” as expounded by Churchianity?

Crossbones :)




Listen to the words of the Apostle Paul:
Act 22:1 "Brothers and fathers, listen as I now present my case to you."

Act 22:2 When the mob heard him speak to them in Hebrew, they became even more quiet. Then Paul continued,

Act 22:3 "I'm a Jew. I was born and raised in the city of Tarsus in Cilicia and received my education from Gamaliel here in Jerusalem. My education was in the strict rules handed down by our ancestors. I was as devoted to God as all of you are today.


Phi 3:5 I was circumcised on the eighth day. I'm a descendant of Israel. I'm from the tribe of Benjamin. I'm a pure-blooded Hebrew. When it comes to living up to standards, I was a Pharisee.

Phi 3:6 When it comes to being enthusiastic, I was a persecutor of the church. When it comes to winning God's approval by keeping Jewish laws, I was perfect.


In his 1st letter to the Corinthians, Paul shares about the 1st man Adam ,and the last Adam; meaning Jesus of Nazareth:


1Co 15:45 This is what Scripture says: "The first man, Adam, became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1Co 15:46 The spiritual does not come first, but the physical and then the spiritual.

1Co 15:47 The first man was made from the dust of the earth. He came from the earth. The second man came from heaven.

In writing to the Romans, Paul expounds on how sin entered the world:

Rom 5:12 Sin came into the world through one person, and death came through sin. So death spread to everyone, because everyone sinned.

Rom 5:13 Sin was in the world before there were any laws. But no record of sin can be kept when there are no laws.

Rom 5:14 Yet, death ruled from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin in the same way Adam did when he disobeyed. Adam is an image of the one who would come.

Rom 5:15 There is no comparison between God's gift and Adam's failure. If humanity died as the result of one person's failure, it is certainly true that God's kindness and the gift given through the kindness of one person, Jesus Christ, have been showered on humanity.

Rom 5:16 There is also no comparison between God's gift and the one who sinned. The verdict which followed one person's failure condemned everyone. But, even after many failures, the gift brought God's approval.

Rom 5:17 It is certain that death ruled because of one person's failure. It's even more certain that those who receive God's overflowing kindness and the gift of his approval will rule in life because of one person, Jesus Christ.

Rom 5:18 Therefore, everyone was condemned through one failure, and everyone received God's life-giving approval through one verdict.

Rom 5:19 Clearly, through one person's disobedience humanity became sinful, and through one person's obedience humanity will receive God's approval.

Rom 5:20 Laws were added to increase the failure. But where sin increased, God's kindness increased even more.

Rom 5:21 As sin ruled by bringing death, God's kindness would rule by bringing us his approval. This results in our living forever because of Jesus Christ our Lord.

So then, none of us are immune to sin, we all sin and the wages of sin is death. However, the gift of GOD is Eternal life in Jesus for those who are willing to accept the gift.

Can you hear it? The Romans Road is calling you...
Rom 3:23; Rom 6:23; Rom 5:8; Rom 10:9-13

~Don w

[Crossbones]

Sorry Don for not responding sooner …soooo much to do, soooo little time left!
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According to the Bible Isaiah was born 770-750 BC, …a very long time before Jesus the Christ.
The Bible speaks of prophets from Moses on, but only fifteen of them have their own books in the Bible. They include the three "majors" - Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel - and twelve "minors". Their prophetic period began with Amos in Judea (circa 760 BCE) and Hosea in Israel (750 BCE) and ended with Malachi (circa 450 BCE). As expectations of the Return took shape, geopolitics, religion, and actual happenings combined to serve as the foundation of biblical Prophecy.
All those “great prophets” with the help of Yahweh could foretell some amazing tales about the future, but have you ever wonder, Don, why there’s no actual mention of the city of Nazareth in the Old Testament, in the historical writings of Josephus, nor in the Talmud??

Talking about “anointed” …did you know that Chrishna, Buddha, Lao-Tsze, Horus, Ra, Thoth, Zoroaster, Cyrus, Plato, Apollonius, Pythagoras, Aesculapius, Quetzalcoatl, Zama, and many others from all parts of the world were also Avatars and messengers of God? …And also born of a Virgin Mary? The world does not revolve only around the story of the Jews.

The doctrine of the original sin was invented solely because of “ecclesiastical necessity” or “expediency”.
For the Church to have held, simply, that all men must be saved or redeemed from the sins of their own commission, and of which they were guilty, would have eliminated the necessity of redeeming those who had lived a good and sinless life. And particularly millions of infants and little children who had never committed an actual sin or any act of which they were “guilty”.
Yeah! We are told that God is a God of Justice, Mercy, and Love. Still, the innocent must inherit, through the Will of God, a sin that condemns the soul to everlasting punishment …unless it is redeemed!

You see Don, as I was reading passages of the Bible my mind couldn’t rest until I find answers to Revelation Chapter 8, Verse 11.
…And the name of the star is called Wormwood.
As I couldn’t find much acceptable explanation in the Bible, I had to turn to other sources of information.
Thank God (excuse the pun) the religious zealots didn’t burn all the “unnecessary” books!:proud: After researching the Internet (hundreds of thousands of pages), words like Nibiru and Planet X seems to be the most connected with Wormwood. There are also hundreds of books written on the subject. Wow! Verrry interrresting!

In the very beginning the universe was an inferno of radiation, way too hot for any atoms to survive. In the first million years it cooled enough for the nuclei of the lightest elements to form. Only millions of years later would the cosmos be cool enough for whole atoms to appear, followed soon by simple molecules and, after more billions of years, the complex sequence of events that saw the condensation of material forming glittering stars that created swirling islands (of stars) into their respective galaxies of light strewn across the visible horizon throughout infinity.

Then, after more billions of years with the appearance of stable environments, mysterious processes we still do not understand nurtured the complicated products of biochemistry. But how and why did this elaborate sequence of events begin? And what do modern-day cosmologists have to tell us about the origin of the Milky Way-- only one of 100 million charted galaxies to date? Could mankind be so egotistical to believe that we humans exist in the universe all alone? We stopped believing in a flat Earth long time ago … thanks to religions, not!

Another thing Don, why is the Bible silent about reincarnation?
In my research I found:

1. THE MATERIALISTIC THEORY holds that life is a journey from the womb to the tomb; that mind is the product of matter (Darwin’s theory); that man is the highest intelligence in the cosmos, and that intelligence perishes when the body dissolves at death.
2. THE THEORY OF THEOLOGY asserts that at each birth a newly-created soul enters the arena of life fresh from God; that at the end of one short span of life in the material world it passes through the gate of death into invisible beyond, there to remain; and that its happiness or misery there is determined for all eternity by its belief just prior to death.
3. THE THEORY OF REBIRTH teaches that each Spirit is an integral part of God; that by means of repeated existences in a gradually improving earthly body those latent powers are being slowly unfolded into dynamic energy. None are lost, but that all Egos will ultimately attain the goal of perfection and reunion with God, bringing with them the cumulative experiences which is the fruitage of their pilgrimage through matter.

Comparing the materialistic theory with the known laws of Nature, we find that it is contrary to such well-established laws as those, which declare matter and force indestructible. According to those laws mind cannot be destroyed at death as the materialistic theory asserts, for when nothing can be destroyed mind must be included.

Moreover, mind evidently is superior to matter, for it molds the face so that it mirrors the mind; also, we know that the particles of our bodies are constantly changing; that an entire change takes place at least once in seven years. If the materialistic theory were true, our consciousness ought also to undergo an entire change, with no memory of what preceded; so that no one could remember an event more than seven years.
We know that is not the case. We remember our whole life; the smallest incident, though forgotten in ordinary life, is vividly remembered by a drowning person; also in the “trance” state. Materialism takes no account of these states of sub-consciousness or super-consciousness. It cannot explain them; so it ignores them. But, in the face of scientific investigations which have established the verity of psychic phenomena beyond cavil, the policy of ignoring rather than disproving these alleged facts is a fatal defect in a theory which lays claim to solve the greatest problem of life: Life itself.

One of the greatest difficulties in the doctrine of the theologians is its entire and confessed inadequacy. According to their theory that a new soul is created at each birth, myriad of souls has been created since the beginning of existence (even if that beginning goes back only 6,000 years). According to certain sects, only 144,000 are to be saved; the rest are to be tortured forever. And that is called "God's plan of salvation"; extolled as proof of God's wonderful Love.

The "plan of salvation" which the theologians are offering is very flawed. If God had really evolved that plan, it would seem to the logical mind that He couldn’t be good. If He cannot help Himself, He is not all-powerful. In neither case can He therefore be God. Such suppositions are, however, unthinkable as actualities, for that cannot be God's plan, and it is a gross libel to attribute it to Him.

If we turn to the doctrine of reincarnation (rebirth in human bodies) which postulates a slow process of development carried on with unwavering persistence through repeated embodiment in human forms with increasing efficiency. All beings are in time brought to a height of spirituality inconceivable to our present lame understanding. We can readily perceive its harmony with nature's methods. EVERYWHERE IN NATURE IS FOUND THIS SLOW AND PERSISTENT STRIVING FOR PERFECTION; AND NOWHERE IS FOUND A SUDDEN PROCESS OF EITHER CREATION OR DESTRUCTION ANALOGOUS TO THE PLAN WHICH THE THEOLOGIANS AND MATERIALISTS WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE.

So, what say you Don?

Crossbones:)

[dnldwismn]

Ahhh Crossbones, welcome back. Thanks again for your posts, they are appreciated. You said so little time left? Are you leaving us?

Here's a few comments.

All those “great prophets” with the help of Yahweh could foretell some amazing tales about the future, but have you ever wonder, Don, why there’s no actual mention of the city of Nazareth in the Old Testament, in the historical writings of Josephus, nor in the Talmud??

Nope, never have wondered why. But until now, I haven't thought about why the Bible mentions the Pharisees and Sadducees, but not the Essenes even though they did exist.

Talking about “anointed” …did you know that Chrishna, Buddha, Lao-Tsze, Horus, Ra, Thoth, Zoroaster, Cyrus, Plato, Apollonius, Pythagoras, Aesculapius, Quetzalcoatl, Zama, and many others from all parts of the world were also Avatars and messengers of God? …And also born of a Virgin Mary? The world does not revolve only around the story of the Jews.

Not only that, the story from the Babylon Mystery Religion goes something like this: that on December 25th, Tammuz was born in a cave of a virgin, the Queen of Heavan, Ishtar, that he died and came back to life during the spring soltaice?

Sound familiar? A conterfeit story in advance of the real event?

Yeah! We are told that God is a God of Justice, Mercy, and Love. Still, the innocent must inherit, through the Will of God, a sin that condemns the soul to everlasting punishment …unless it is redeemed!

Sorry, there is none righteous, no not one for we all have sinned and the wages of sin is death. But, the gift is Eternal Life for those that will accept it. Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23

You see Don, as I was reading passages of the Bible my mind couldn’t rest until I find answers to Revelation Chapter 8, Verse 11.
…And the name of the star is called Wormwood.
As I couldn’t find much acceptable explanation in the Bible, I had to turn to other sources of information.

We must remember that the Bible is an Eastern Document that relies heavily on word pictures to get it's message across.

The term "Wormwood" is first used in Deuteronomy 29:18. It's reference to the bitterness that results from idol worship.

Another thing Don, why is the Bible silent about reincarnation?

Here what Bible mentions about reincarnation in one passage. I'm sure there's others, but this one will suffice for now.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

If we turn to the doctrine of reincarnation (rebirth in human bodies) which postulates a slow process of development carried on with unwavering persistence through repeated embodiment in human forms with increasing efficiency. All beings are in time brought to a height of spirituality inconceivable to our present lame understanding. We can readily perceive its harmony with nature's methods. EVERYWHERE IN NATURE IS FOUND THIS SLOW AND PERSISTENT STRIVING FOR PERFECTION; AND NOWHERE IS FOUND A SUDDEN PROCESS OF EITHER CREATION OR DESTRUCTION ANALOGOUS TO THE PLAN WHICH THE THEOLOGIANS AND MATERIALISTS WOULD HAVE US BELIEVE.

So, what say you Don?

I don't know about all that Crossbones. But I do know that when one looks at GOD's economy that it's one of growth and transformation.

1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak [this] to your shame.

1Co 15:35 But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1Co 15:36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]:

1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1Co 15:39 All flesh [is] not the same flesh: but [there is] one [kind of] flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, [and] another of birds.

1Co 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.

1Co 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.

1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

1Co 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.

1Co 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly.

1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1Co 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?

1Co 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.

1Co 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.



~Don w

[SpeedDemon]

Hey pack o’ bones, I have been reading ur postings and I don’t know from under which rock ur comin out from, but u sure make a lot of sense dude. Keep it up.
Religion ain’t my thing, but I believe the wormwood is soon. I had already read about it.
U sure are givin the pastor his money’s worth, u might go to hell dude. :o

[EyedealRyder]

I’m not too religious, and I couldn’t careless about ezekiel, daniel or the pope.
I’m a pervert and a sinner! And I ride, drink and gamble.
I like your posts crossbones, they have a lot of bones to it! I had heard about planet Nibiru before, but never paid too much attention until you mentioned it.
Well, guess what? I spent my whole day off today on the internet reading about it. Triple WOW crossbones! I better take my old bible out of the mothballs and start cramming for the final exam …2012 is cumming! poor me

Blackjack

[Eye Rocker]

What is this about Wormwood & Nibiru mate?
Any nifty truth to it or just a figment of your imagination?
Put another way …A pile o’shite?

Rocker

[Crossbones]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sbl0058l.jpg

Help yourself to the search engines Rocker.
Politicians, astrologists, scientists or theologians goes to the same schools or read the same Bible …and reached different conclusions.
Are they being “creative”? …or simply trying to make a name for themselves?
Happy hunting brother! Cool Global

Crossbones

[Crossbones]

Dear Don,

Could it be perhaps that most of the important major players in the New Testament were, in fact,*fact Essenes (http://www.rosicrucian.org/publications/digest/digest2_2007/online%20digest/online_2007_Dig2_1107.pdf) themselves? …Including Jesus and His whole family? ...3 brothers, 6 sisters?

"After my departure there will arise the ignorant and the crafty, and many things will they ascribe unto Me that I never spake, and many things which I did speak will they withhold, but the day will come when the clouds shall be rolled away, and the Sun of Righteousness shall shine forth with healing in his wings"
~Jesus, The Essene Gospel of Peace
http://www.thenazareneway.com/index.htm

"And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night." Luke 2:8

It's a well known fact*fact that December falls in the middle of the rainy season in Palestine, and the sheep were kept in the fold at that time of the year. The shepherds always corralled their flocks from October to April. They brought their sheep from the mountainsides and the fields no later than October 15th to protect them from the cold, rainy seasons that followed that date. So the birth of Christ could not have taken place at the end of December.

It is also a well known fact*fact that Ralph Woodrow is an Evangelical Christian Minister, speaker and author of 14 books. Woodrow formerly supported the thesis of the 19th century churchman Alexander Hislop that Roman Catholicism is a syncretistic pagan religion in his book Babylon Mystery Religion and gained a certain notoriety when he changed his view and pulled the work from circulation.

It is also a well known fact*fact that affiliates of Calvary Chapel believe in the fundamental doctrines of evangelical Christianity which include the inerrancy of the Bible and the Trinity. Within evangelical Christianity, they say that they stand in the "middle ground between fundamentalism and Pentecostalism in modern Protestant theology". While they applaud fundamentalism's staunch support of the inerrancy of the Bible, they believe Fundamentalists have become "rigid, legalistic, and unaccepting of spiritual gifts." On the other hand, they believe Pentecostals have become "enthusiastic and emotional at the expense of the teaching of God's Word." [3] In other words, a church service should be about being made into a disciple (Matthew 28 and the Great Commission), and less about the "experience".

It is also a well known fact*fact as to how the name of Jesus came to be.

The similarities between the ancient God Tammuz and the Christian God are striking.
Tammuz was worshipped throughout Palestine and Mesopotamia, including Jerusalem, as early as 700 years before Jesus was born. Tammuz worshippers called him “The Lord.”

The Church of the Nativity was built at the site Christian’s worship as the place Jesus was born. It is located in Bethlehem. That same site was worshipped centuries before Jesus was born as the place Tammuz was reborn.
In a letter from St. Jerome to Paulinis, St. Jerome writes,*fact “This Bethlehem which is now ours, and is the most august spot on earth, was foreshadowed by a grave of Tammuz- that is to say, Adonis in the cave where the infant Jesus once wailed....”

Tammuz was said to have been crucified. Tammuz symbol was the Tau, which was a pagan symbol for the cross.

Every year Tammuz’ was laid on a bed or bier and his death mourned by women. Afterwards, his resurrection was chanted and praised. Tammuz was said to have been a beautiful youth. The women who mourned him: the goddess Ishtar of Babylon and Assyria and the goddess Astarte of Phoenicia.

Many Christians, Muslims, and Jews reject any connection with gods like Tammuz that preceded their own. They call those gods “pagan.” For most of them that term is derogatory, particularly when the pagan gods are compared with their own.

But why? Why are these “modern” religions so defensive? There is no reason to be ashamed. They may not be perfect, but Tammuz and the other pagan gods are the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim god’s ancestors.*fact

In Latin manuscripts of the fourth centuries, the letters IHS were retained for the Messianic name. Medieval Latin texts, 700-1500 AD, have commonly inc or ihs for Iesus, Iesu or Jesus. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, these abbreviations were in later times often erroneously expanded as Ihesus. Most religious and secular encyclopedias and dictionaries state that Baccus was, in Roman mythology, the son of Jupiter. To the Greeks, he was known as Dionysus, the god of fertility, the son of Zeus. His worshippers tore apart a live animal, ate his flesh and drank his blood. Participants believed they were taking part in Dionysus’ (a.k.a. Baccus’) blood and body. He was said to have healed the sick, done miracles, turned water left at his temple into wine and walked on water to rescue his believers. Being the winterborn child, he was concealed from evil powers seeking his life. At the winter equinox, Christmas, his devotees carried a babe in procession like the Roman Catholics at Bethlehem do today. He died, visited Hades and rose again. It is not remarkable then that his Greek symbols IHS or IES came to be applied to the Messiah.
The IHS, a monogram for the name ‘Jesus’, often occurs in religious art and in stained glass windows. It serves as a symbol for the sign Constantine supposedly saw before he attacked the Roman army over the throne of Caesar. Constantine is said to have adopted the cross as his insignia after seeing a cross and the legend ‘In Hoc Signo Vinces’ (IHS), meaning ‘in this sign conquer’ in the sky. The initials IHS are traditionally rendered Iesus Hominum Salvator, translated to mean Iesus, salvation of men.
The Babylonian religion also knows Baccus but under the name Tammuz ( Ezek. 8:14). Tammuz and his mother Cimmaramus were worshipped as a mother holding her infant child. He was conceived, supposedly by a visitation from Cimmaramus’ dead husband, making his a spiritual, miraculous birth. In Rome, Tammuz was referred to as Jupiter, the same god Barnabas was thought to be in Acts 14:12, because of the miracle Paul performed in Lystra. This son, Tammuz worshipped in his mother’s arms was looked upon as invested with all the attributes and called by almost all the names of the promised Messiah. As YHWH in the Old Testament was called Adonai, so Tammuz was called Adon or Adonis. Under the Mithras, he was worshipped as the ‘Mediator’. As Mediator and head of the covenant of grace, he was styled Baal-Berith, ‘Lord of the Covenant’. In this character, he is represented in Persian monuments as seated on the rainbow, the well-known symbol of the covenant. In India, under the name Vishnu, the preserver or savior of men. Though a god, he was worshipped as the great ‘victim man’, who before the worlds were, because there was nothing else to offer, offered himself as a sacrifice.


Crossbones

p.s. The Bible is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.*fact

[Crossbones]

"Sorry, there is none righteous, no not one for we all have sinned and the wages of sin is death."

Those are your words Don and very saddening…

We find that superstition is the origin of moral rules. Originally, certain acts were thought displeasing to the gods and were forbidden by law because the divine wrath was apt to descend upon the community, not merely upon the guilty individuals. Hence arose the conception of sin as that which is displeasing to God.
Sometimes the Divine commands have been curiously interpreted. For example, we are told not to work on Saturdays, and Protestants take this to mean that we are not to play on Sundays.
It is evident that a man with a scientific outlook on life cannot let himself be intimidated by texts of Scripture or by the teaching of the church. He will not be content to say “such-and-such an act is sinful, and that ends the matter.” Especially in what concerns sex, our current morality contains a very great deal of which the origin is purely superstitious.
We also find that the defenders of traditional morality are seldom people with warm hearts, as we can witness right now …in the name of Allah!
One is tempted to think that they value morals as affording a legitimate outlet for their desire to inflict pain; the sinner is fair game, and therefore away with tolerance!

Crossbones

[dnldwismn]

Hi Crossbones,

I see your point.

However, not really my words and only half the story.

Here's the rest of the story...

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one.

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

[I]And...

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.


Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin death; but the gift of God eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 14:6 Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father, but by me.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

[I]Can you hear Him?
[I]Do you hear what I hear?

[WhiteNite]

496

Satan smiles, Satan dances, Satan sings when he watches the "Bible Thumpers" blindly proclaim yet misinterpret God's word as revealed in the Bible.

The "Bible Thumpers" spout the ravings of the last televangelist they have watched on TV. They listen to the latest babbling about "There is none righteous!" “There is none that understands!” “There is none that does good!”

They loudly announce "You are all sinners!" “The wages of sin is death!”
Yes, indeed, Satan loves the foolish "Bible Thumpers" for they thump on the cover of the Bible without ever having understood the words of wisdom which lie therein.

Those who believe we are sinners and if we don’t repent must burn in hell for eternity, because we need redemptive violence in order to reunite with the Almighty are frightening not just because of their bloodthirsty ideology but because of the self-righteousness that drives their prophecy to become self-fulfilling. They can't wait for the ultimate fireworks display.

WhiteNite

[Olsquirrel]

CROSSBONES it is obvious that you in this war of words is the only one with an open mind. The Rocker has had Catolicism shoved so far up his ass that he cannot accept any idea that conflicts with it [ heritcs are those who disagree with the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH . Yes the Romans who conquered the jews and their religion, and in an effort to destroy it created the Christians ]
Anyone can stand all day and quote scripture , but there are so many religious scriptures that it makes one wonder which one is real .STORIES.
A prophet or teacher does not just merly qoute the thoughts and writings of others ,which seems to be the case here [Don, White Knight], but voices his OWN thoughts and interpetations of what is real. When are you going to stop quoting and give us your real thoughts on this matter?
Open your eyes and minds to the fact that places like Wormwood and Nibiru are real

[SpeedDemon]

Hey preecher how bout tellin us more with the wormwood?
The pack o’bones raised many issues and instead of givin us some intelligen answers u r always tryin to shove that bible down our throats!



gaah

[dnldwismn]

Wow! Looks like this is a hot thread!

We have gone down many a rabbit-trail since Crossbones' original post.

In it he states:

As our views on organized religions and the nature of God differ in its perception and concepts, may be perhaps, we could either share some more point of views on a personal basis or through the forum for the benefit of others who may be interested in the subject.
Anyone out there with some positive feed back?
Mondo …Don, what say you?

Since then, it seems we have traveled down some rabbit-trails.

I don't know about Wormwood or Nibiru.

Dwelling on such things can take up a lot of time and become a hobby in and of itself.

It is interesting to speculate, but in the end does it really matter?

Revelation also talks about the Earth being hit with something that looks like a burning mountain. An asteroid? A meteor?
May I ask, having that knowledge, does is affect the way we live our lives?

Crossbones suggests we share some points of views for the benefit of others who may be interested and asks for anyone out there with positive feed back.

Should we be living our lives in the same way; sharing for the benefit of others who may be interested and providing positive feedback?

On a personal level, at one time I was an out-of-control, angry young man. I tended to live my life from one conflict to the next.

I meet the Savior reading the pages of the Gospels. What got me started reading was seeing tanks roll across the Israeli desert on the evening news in 1973. That was 35 years ago. I knew then His Word is Truth and I know now He is who He says He is.

Today, I have a totally different perspective on life than I did then.

I love the Lord, His Word, as well as those He puts in my life. I am not perfect, but I do what I can with His help.

Crossbones mentions organized religion. When we get down to the nuts and bolts of an organization, we can see it's really messed up! Why? Because an organization is made up by imperfect people, the same goes for the church.

But, does that change the veracity of GOD and His Word? No.

He is perfect and has given us a beautiful love letter to His people we call the Bible.

What if some choose not to believe? That's ok. It's their choice.

Even so, as Crossbones has indicated, there are those that may be interested in the subject of organized religion, the nature of GOD, perceptions and concepts. They most certainly will hear and receive the Word with joy.

So, I share as I am led.

GOD's blessings to you all.

~Don w

[WhiteNite]

Our universe is teaming with life at various levels of evolution. We are more or less at the bottom, but are about to make a giant move in the “up” direction. The highest intelligence is the collective energies we term God, the Creator, or numerous other terms. From here, and down through many descending levels of vibration, known as dimensions, planes, or mansions, exist a multitude of beings, initially in spiritual form, then semi-solid, and then in dense bodies like our current ones. We know these beings by terms such as Elohim, Archangels, Lords of Light, Angels, Ascended Masters, and finally extraterrestrials, which have humanoid bodies or those we can call dinoid, insectoid, and reptoid. Television reveals some of these forms in shows like “Star Trek”. We have all existed in these higher energy forms before, but intertwined with other aspects of ourselves. We are each part of a soul group of approximately 12 souls, and part of a soul family of approximately 144.

Billions of souls (aspects of God) were sent to Earth to see if they could rind their way back to the vibration of God or the purest Light without memory of where they had been. This has never been done in this way anywhere before. Thus the uniqueness of our current situation or “experiment”. Earth is the fulcrum for change and peace in this galaxy and universe. Evolution elsewhere cannot proceed successfully until we ascend to the 5th Dimension. Many civilizations are watching us with intense interest. Higher dimensions can see through to lower dimensions, but we cannot see higher dimensions from here. In recent years, mankind has had virtually unlimited access to the highest beings of Light who provide guidance through channeled contacts and sometimes even manifesting in etheric or physical form.


WhiteNite

[Crossbones]

Don, I believe (I may be wrong) that you are using words from the Bible in a narrative sense to communicate your thoughts, therefore those words becomes your thoughts because you believe in them. You do, right?

People are looking up to you Don for reassurance that their souls are in good hands. Telling them that they are sinners and quoting them parables from the Bible that they don’t understand and without proper explanations, may put them on the defensive.
I am receiving a ton of private messages (most of them don’t want their pen name in the religious thread) asking for clarification about Bible issues. When we first started discussing religion I sincerely was hoping, through the forum, that people would be asking you for sound advice. Some of the issues I raised are in fact, from the messages I received.

Seems to me that frustration is highly emotional as reflected from a few of the postings. How about trying to talk to your flock of admirers in a layman tone …just as God talks to you or as your mind is translating the Words of God?

You are saying: “in the end does it matter?” Are you telling your flock Don that you believe that after you “die” it’s the end? Don, most mortals want to know if their souls will make it to Heaven, and some of them may want to know when? …May be they want to “cram for the final exam”. Or may be perhaps, they want redemption only at the last minute; and telling your flock that you don’t know about the star Wormwood in Revelation is not too reassuring to an inquiring soul.

You are also saying: “does is affect the way we live our lives?” I say, it certainly does! If the believers (on the fence perhaps) understand that the end may be near, wouldn’t in fact, understanding human nature, motivate more people reaching for God in a better positive way? If this is the case, was it in fact, what you were trying to accomplish in the first place …to bring in more people to share the Word of God with you? … And in a language that everyone understands?

You are also saying that “organization is made up by imperfect people, the same goes for the church”. In Catholic theology, papal infallibility is the dogma that, by action of the Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error. Hmmm! That is a strange reflection!

Crossbones

p.s. Unless of course, people are made to believe that storytelling was probably one of the earliest forms of entertainment, therefore reaching the conclusion that the Bible is pure fiction …and always was!

[dnldwismn]

Crossbones,

You are an amazing individual. I do appreciate you and your comments.

Thank you for being you!

As far as being the idea of us all being sinners, the picture is one of a level playing field.

The ground is level and none of us are better than the other at the foot of the Cross.

The good news is that the gift of Eternal Life is available to all and does not depend on how good or how not good we are.

It's a gift free for the asking!

All of us have the power to become children of GOD by embracing the gift of His Son.

When we receive a gift from Someone, we must first believe He exists and then reach out and accept the Gift.

GOD's desire is for everyone to come to the knowlege of the truth and choose Life.

You are correct in that I am using the Bible for these truths.

Sometimes I do let Scripture speak for itself which may or not be a bad thing. I do understand the sometimes it does not even get read which is a chance I take.

One of my passions is sharing Scriptural truths. On Sunday mornings at Starbucks, PCH & Oak 7:30am, I usually meet with another Black Sheep where we dig in and unpack Scriptural truths from the Bible.

There we get into questions, doubts, ideas, thoughts, concerns, etc. If anyone has a desire, they are welcome to ride over, pull up a chair and join in.

It would be good to check with me before hand as sometimes we don't meet because of other events. Example, tomorrow we are riding to Palm Springs to visit a downed Black Sheep member in a hosptial there.

Another option is Saturday mornings at Starbucks PCH & Oak where the talk usually take a turn toward Spiritual things. All are welcome. 7:30 am -9 am.

One thing that GOD loves is an open, honest heart. He made us, He knows our thoughts anyway, but He wants us to express them to Him. It brings healing to our soul.

He is near to each of our hearts waiting for us to open the door to Him.
I did and I can never go back to what I was before. It's been a grand adventure for sure!

GOD Bless!

~Don w